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		<title>By: Mia</title>
		<link>http://musematic.net/2010/05/12/cultural-collections-and-the-semantic-web/comment-page-1/#comment-24552</link>
		<dc:creator>Mia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jul 2010 13:35:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Perian,

I wanted to let you know about discussions going on in London about &#039;linking museums&#039; (a catch-all phrase I&#039;m using for semantic web, linked data, RDFa, microformats and whatever other machine-readable formats are out there) at http://museum-api.pbworks.com/July-2010-meetup and http://museum-api.pbworks.com/Linking+Museums+write-up

Helping people find their way back to the &#039;authentic object&#039; from search engine results pages would be a really good test for any structured pages people manage to get online.

cheers, Mia</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Perian,</p>
<p>I wanted to let you know about discussions going on in London about &#8216;linking museums&#8217; (a catch-all phrase I&#8217;m using for semantic web, linked data, RDFa, microformats and whatever other machine-readable formats are out there) at <a href="http://museum-api.pbworks.com/July-2010-meetup" rel="nofollow">http://museum-api.pbworks.com/July-2010-meetup</a> and <a href="http://museum-api.pbworks.com/Linking+Museums+write-up" rel="nofollow">http://museum-api.pbworks.com/Linking+Museums+write-up</a></p>
<p>Helping people find their way back to the &#8216;authentic object&#8217; from search engine results pages would be a really good test for any structured pages people manage to get online.</p>
<p>cheers, Mia</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce Falk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bruce Falk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jun 2010 17:44:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was just asked by a colleague to identify &quot;well-crafted museum collection / art education wikis,&quot; and since there seemed to be an emerging list of links here, thought I&#039;d add my own.  I think we can all agree that we get the most bang for our buck by assuring the accuracy and credibility of content that is already publicly available before we go about reinventing or perfecting the wheel.

That said, “well-crafted” is very much in the eye of the beholder, and since wikis are by definition crowd-sourced, I would expect the more popular ones to be more of a hodgepodge than one would find from a heavily-moderated site with low visitation.  I&#039;d also agree with TS and Guenter that we should not limit consideration to wiki-models alone, but consider all forms of online collaboration, be they well-populated communities which are open to content-partner contribution, such as Thinkfinity (http://community.thinkfinity.org/index.jspa) , and the brand new multi-disciplinary/pan-institutional .

What about Liam Wyatt&#039;s thoughts about our use of Wikipedia (http://conference.archimuse.com/forum/metrics_musums_wikipedia)? And finally, can we separate discussions of collaborating on development/deployment of a communal interface for accessing semantic data (say, by using Google Earth or Google Maps to focus our map-based content uploads in lieu of re-developing sites like Placeography (http://www.placeography.org/index.php/Main_Page) from our discussions about establishing standard protocols for recording and sharing data?  Is it naive to consider the desire to collect and promulgate information (facts and expertise) to be shared by all, while allowing for continuing our respective unique interpretation and presentation?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was just asked by a colleague to identify &#8220;well-crafted museum collection / art education wikis,&#8221; and since there seemed to be an emerging list of links here, thought I&#8217;d add my own.  I think we can all agree that we get the most bang for our buck by assuring the accuracy and credibility of content that is already publicly available before we go about reinventing or perfecting the wheel.</p>
<p>That said, “well-crafted” is very much in the eye of the beholder, and since wikis are by definition crowd-sourced, I would expect the more popular ones to be more of a hodgepodge than one would find from a heavily-moderated site with low visitation.  I&#8217;d also agree with TS and Guenter that we should not limit consideration to wiki-models alone, but consider all forms of online collaboration, be they well-populated communities which are open to content-partner contribution, such as Thinkfinity (<a href="http://community.thinkfinity.org/index.jspa" rel="nofollow">http://community.thinkfinity.org/index.jspa</a>) , and the brand new multi-disciplinary/pan-institutional .</p>
<p>What about Liam Wyatt&#8217;s thoughts about our use of Wikipedia (<a href="http://conference.archimuse.com/forum/metrics_musums_wikipedia" rel="nofollow">http://conference.archimuse.com/forum/metrics_musums_wikipedia</a>)? And finally, can we separate discussions of collaborating on development/deployment of a communal interface for accessing semantic data (say, by using Google Earth or Google Maps to focus our map-based content uploads in lieu of re-developing sites like Placeography (<a href="http://www.placeography.org/index.php/Main_Page" rel="nofollow">http://www.placeography.org/index.php/Main_Page</a>) from our discussions about establishing standard protocols for recording and sharing data?  Is it naive to consider the desire to collect and promulgate information (facts and expertise) to be shared by all, while allowing for continuing our respective unique interpretation and presentation?</p>
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		<title>By: Perian Sully</title>
		<link>http://musematic.net/2010/05/12/cultural-collections-and-the-semantic-web/comment-page-1/#comment-23305</link>
		<dc:creator>Perian Sully</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 May 2010 22:55:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Guenter!

With the challenges and models presented, what do you think the likelihood is of getting a national forum together to harness all of the efforts currently in play? There&#039;re a lot of fantastic projects out there, each working on a different piece of the puzzle, but I haven&#039;t come across anything unifying theory yet. The options you cite aren&#039;t mutually exclusive, and it would be important to leverage all of them simultaneously (assuming the way people use web doesn&#039;t drastically change in the immediate future).

P.S. With any luck, I&#039;ll be in a position to attend the forum. I&#039;d love to participate. If not, though, looking forward to reading proceedings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Guenter!</p>
<p>With the challenges and models presented, what do you think the likelihood is of getting a national forum together to harness all of the efforts currently in play? There&#8217;re a lot of fantastic projects out there, each working on a different piece of the puzzle, but I haven&#8217;t come across anything unifying theory yet. The options you cite aren&#8217;t mutually exclusive, and it would be important to leverage all of them simultaneously (assuming the way people use web doesn&#8217;t drastically change in the immediate future).</p>
<p>P.S. With any luck, I&#8217;ll be in a position to attend the forum. I&#8217;d love to participate. If not, though, looking forward to reading proceedings.</p>
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		<title>By: Perian Sully</title>
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		<dc:creator>Perian Sully</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 May 2010 22:46:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Indeed - that&#039;s the trick with those projects (both of which I&#039;ve been following with some interest. I&#039;m sad that CollectionSpace won&#039;t develop for archive and library information - at least not now. I&#039;m not sure about CollectiveAccess). I haven&#039;t seen an emphasis on online outreach of collections, via SEO, metadata, ontologies, etc. They&#039;re great projects, and ideally, they&#039;ll take all of that into account when developing them; but I haven&#039;t seen anything that suggests they&#039;re thinking beyond immediate desktop use and siloed publishing (ie. on the institution&#039;s website). I completely admit that I&#039;m not close with the developers, so I don&#039;t know if that&#039;s something they&#039;ve addressed.

Possibly, though, with open source solutions, it might be possible for us to build some plugins to add that necessary functionality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indeed &#8211; that&#8217;s the trick with those projects (both of which I&#8217;ve been following with some interest. I&#8217;m sad that CollectionSpace won&#8217;t develop for archive and library information &#8211; at least not now. I&#8217;m not sure about CollectiveAccess). I haven&#8217;t seen an emphasis on online outreach of collections, via SEO, metadata, ontologies, etc. They&#8217;re great projects, and ideally, they&#8217;ll take all of that into account when developing them; but I haven&#8217;t seen anything that suggests they&#8217;re thinking beyond immediate desktop use and siloed publishing (ie. on the institution&#8217;s website). I completely admit that I&#8217;m not close with the developers, so I don&#8217;t know if that&#8217;s something they&#8217;ve addressed.</p>
<p>Possibly, though, with open source solutions, it might be possible for us to build some plugins to add that necessary functionality.</p>
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		<title>By: TS</title>
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		<dc:creator>TS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 May 2010 22:14:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regarding your wish list, what about these open-source projects?
  - http://www.collectiveaccess.org
  - http://www.collectionspace.org
I think they both hit at least 4 of your 5 bullet points. Neither offers the holy grail of cross-institutional federation, of course, but if they -- and other systems, and institutions -- can agree on SEO and microformat standards, we might be getting somewhere. Actually, the Great Google will just dictate standards to us, so let&#039;s make the vendors and open-source projects pay attention and prioritize accordingly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding your wish list, what about these open-source projects?<br />
  &#8211; <a href="http://www.collectiveaccess.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.collectiveaccess.org</a><br />
  &#8211; <a href="http://www.collectionspace.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.collectionspace.org</a><br />
I think they both hit at least 4 of your 5 bullet points. Neither offers the holy grail of cross-institutional federation, of course, but if they &#8212; and other systems, and institutions &#8212; can agree on SEO and microformat standards, we might be getting somewhere. Actually, the Great Google will just dictate standards to us, so let&#8217;s make the vendors and open-source projects pay attention and prioritize accordingly.</p>
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		<title>By: Guenter Waibel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Guenter Waibel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 May 2010 17:48:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perian, great post! If you believe the premise that we&#039;re all massively short-changing the potential of cultural heritage content by silo&#039;ing it into the websites of 17,500 museums, 122,356 libraries and countless (I literally can&#039;t find a count) archives, then it seems to me you&#039;re looking at 3 options:

1. Make the Search Engines our aggregator - that&#039;s what SEO is all about. It&#039;ll likely help you improve access to your stuff, but it won&#039;t really raise all ships. You&#039;re competing, not collaborating.
2. Use existing online hubs as our aggregator - that&#039;s in essence what the Flickr Commons did. There are great outlets for certain types of materials, like Flickr for photographic materials, but not one outlet where all of it can come together.
3. Create our own cultural heritage hub that has proper SEO and discloses into existing online hubs as appropriate. I&#039;m watching both http://www.collectionstrust.org.uk/culturegrid (literally watch this video http://bit.ly/dpYimM) and Europeana (http://www.europeana.eu/portal/) to see how our colleagues in the UK and Europe fare with that sort of thing. You could also think of the emerging Smithsonian Commons (http://bit.ly/a1OIeF) as a model which could be scaled up nationally.

I&#039;ve blogged about the challenges we face in the US in pulling this sort of thing off here http://bit.ly/adVLB2 and here http://bit.ly/arJKLH.

P.S.: In case you did follow the link to the great Collections Trust video, Nick Poole will speak at the Collaboration Forum at the Smithsonian about new ways to think about aggregating content. The agenda isn&#039;t up yet, but the announcement is at http://www.oclc.org/research/events/2010-09-20.htm.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perian, great post! If you believe the premise that we&#8217;re all massively short-changing the potential of cultural heritage content by silo&#8217;ing it into the websites of 17,500 museums, 122,356 libraries and countless (I literally can&#8217;t find a count) archives, then it seems to me you&#8217;re looking at 3 options:</p>
<p>1. Make the Search Engines our aggregator &#8211; that&#8217;s what SEO is all about. It&#8217;ll likely help you improve access to your stuff, but it won&#8217;t really raise all ships. You&#8217;re competing, not collaborating.<br />
2. Use existing online hubs as our aggregator &#8211; that&#8217;s in essence what the Flickr Commons did. There are great outlets for certain types of materials, like Flickr for photographic materials, but not one outlet where all of it can come together.<br />
3. Create our own cultural heritage hub that has proper SEO and discloses into existing online hubs as appropriate. I&#8217;m watching both <a href="http://www.collectionstrust.org.uk/culturegrid" rel="nofollow">http://www.collectionstrust.org.uk/culturegrid</a> (literally watch this video <a href="http://bit.ly/dpYimM" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/dpYimM</a>) and Europeana (<a href="http://www.europeana.eu/portal/" rel="nofollow">http://www.europeana.eu/portal/</a>) to see how our colleagues in the UK and Europe fare with that sort of thing. You could also think of the emerging Smithsonian Commons (<a href="http://bit.ly/a1OIeF" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/a1OIeF</a>) as a model which could be scaled up nationally.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve blogged about the challenges we face in the US in pulling this sort of thing off here <a href="http://bit.ly/adVLB2" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/adVLB2</a> and here <a href="http://bit.ly/arJKLH" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/arJKLH</a>.</p>
<p>P.S.: In case you did follow the link to the great Collections Trust video, Nick Poole will speak at the Collaboration Forum at the Smithsonian about new ways to think about aggregating content. The agenda isn&#8217;t up yet, but the announcement is at <a href="http://www.oclc.org/research/events/2010-09-20.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.oclc.org/research/events/2010-09-20.htm</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce Falk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bruce Falk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 May 2010 13:28:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree wholeheartedly, and think this leads straight into the needle-in-the-digital-haystack problem that I blogged about a few years back.  Consistent with my latest blog note (http://blog.museotech.net/2010/04/upnext-proposing-new-paradigm-for.html), perhaps it&#039;s time to put together a steering committee of museum participants to create (and then maintain) an open-source-built database of shared, stored resources, with each museum participant having independent rights to set access to their respective digitized collection and curate metadata?

I&#039;m not so fond of action by committee, but there are limits to what museums can do independently.  It would appear that some serious, focused cooperation can get us much further down the digital pike than our independent resources would allow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree wholeheartedly, and think this leads straight into the needle-in-the-digital-haystack problem that I blogged about a few years back.  Consistent with my latest blog note (<a href="http://blog.museotech.net/2010/04/upnext-proposing-new-paradigm-for.html" rel="nofollow">http://blog.museotech.net/2010/04/upnext-proposing-new-paradigm-for.html</a>), perhaps it&#8217;s time to put together a steering committee of museum participants to create (and then maintain) an open-source-built database of shared, stored resources, with each museum participant having independent rights to set access to their respective digitized collection and curate metadata?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not so fond of action by committee, but there are limits to what museums can do independently.  It would appear that some serious, focused cooperation can get us much further down the digital pike than our independent resources would allow.</p>
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