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	<title>Comments on: My first post, and, because it&#8217;s Friday, some 1952 news footage of the first museum handheld. [Take 2]</title>
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		<title>By: Brett Marguardt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brett Marguardt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Apr 2011 14:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK statement you delineate in My first post, and, because it’s Friday, some 1952 news footage of the first museum handheld  [Take 2] . Entertaining to scan the article and supplemental positions uttered by writers on this and different web sites. Why didnt I think about this? I would really wish to study more on this issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK statement you delineate in My first post, and, because it’s Friday, some 1952 news footage of the first museum handheld  [Take 2] . Entertaining to scan the article and supplemental positions uttered by writers on this and different web sites. Why didnt I think about this? I would really wish to study more on this issue.</p>
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		<title>By: Loic Tallon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Loic Tallon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 12:49:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...
Though on second attempt, a little focused googling suggests that you may be the same Scott that coordinated the design and development of the ARIF?
If so, you must have some stories to share from that project.

Loic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;<br />
Though on second attempt, a little focused googling suggests that you may be the same Scott that coordinated the design and development of the ARIF?<br />
If so, you must have some stories to share from that project.</p>
<p>Loic.</p>
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		<title>By: Loic Tallon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Loic Tallon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 12:02:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Scott.

Yes I was in KL, but unfortunately didn&#039;t get to visit the Petrosains Science Centre and use the ARIF: I was foiled by the apparently international &quot;museums must be closed on Mondays&quot; rule!  :-(
I&#039;m pretty disappointing about that, as, along with the Experience Music Project (Seattle), this was one of the first museum multimedia tour; its most certainly the longest running.  
There&#039;s a great Flickr image and description about the Petrosains handheld at http://tr.im/nweN

Why did you ask if I had taken it: have you had the opportunity to do so?

Loic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Scott.</p>
<p>Yes I was in KL, but unfortunately didn&#8217;t get to visit the Petrosains Science Centre and use the ARIF: I was foiled by the apparently international &#8220;museums must be closed on Mondays&#8221; rule!  <img src='http://musematic.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':-(' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
I&#8217;m pretty disappointing about that, as, along with the Experience Music Project (Seattle), this was one of the first museum multimedia tour; its most certainly the longest running.<br />
There&#8217;s a great Flickr image and description about the Petrosains handheld at <a href="http://tr.im/nweN" rel="nofollow">http://tr.im/nweN</a></p>
<p>Why did you ask if I had taken it: have you had the opportunity to do so?</p>
<p>Loic.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 14:10:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Loic,

I see you were in KL...did you see the ARIF handheld at Petrosains?

S</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Loic,</p>
<p>I see you were in KL&#8230;did you see the ARIF handheld at Petrosains?</p>
<p>S</p>
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		<title>By: Loic Tallon</title>
		<link>http://musematic.net/2009/04/24/my-first-post-and-because-its-friday-some-1952-news-footage-of-the-first-museum-handheld-take-2/comment-page-1/#comment-14583</link>
		<dc:creator>Loic Tallon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 13:54:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Thad for your comment.

And its got me digging out my research on the Science Museum&#039;s audio guide from my attic: I&#039;ll blog about it when I find said materials.  But off the top of my head, I think the audio guide was installed initially in one gallery, but then expanded into four others.  It started in 1961, was the first audio guide in the UK, and the project was led by the museum in partnership with the Ministry of Works.  The latter were concerned that British museums were falling behind their European counterparts with their interpretation techniques; by 1960, as well as the Stedelijk, numerous other museums including the Louvre were using audio guides, but no British museums.

The Science Museum audio guide never really &#039;took off&#039;; I think it lasted 4 years, eventually being removed as part of the audio guide hardware shift from radio tours to tape tours.  I&#039;m writing about this in my next post.  It did though inspire one of my favorite audio guide quotes, by the then Science Museum director, Dr. Ward, about expanding the installation further:

“Tests have merely shown that 9 out of 10 visitors are very enthusiastic about the idea, but I repeat that so would they be if we offered free drinks in the gallery.  This proves nothing.”

Loic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Thad for your comment.</p>
<p>And its got me digging out my research on the Science Museum&#8217;s audio guide from my attic: I&#8217;ll blog about it when I find said materials.  But off the top of my head, I think the audio guide was installed initially in one gallery, but then expanded into four others.  It started in 1961, was the first audio guide in the UK, and the project was led by the museum in partnership with the Ministry of Works.  The latter were concerned that British museums were falling behind their European counterparts with their interpretation techniques; by 1960, as well as the Stedelijk, numerous other museums including the Louvre were using audio guides, but no British museums.</p>
<p>The Science Museum audio guide never really &#8216;took off&#8217;; I think it lasted 4 years, eventually being removed as part of the audio guide hardware shift from radio tours to tape tours.  I&#8217;m writing about this in my next post.  It did though inspire one of my favorite audio guide quotes, by the then Science Museum director, Dr. Ward, about expanding the installation further:</p>
<p>“Tests have merely shown that 9 out of 10 visitors are very enthusiastic about the idea, but I repeat that so would they be if we offered free drinks in the gallery.  This proves nothing.”</p>
<p>Loic.</p>
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		<title>By: Thad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 09:05:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great Post!  It is great to see people interested in post-WW2 museum history.  I know that in my own research at the Science Museum that a similar system was discussed for at least part of the Museum ... oddly, there was no discussion about implementing a system for the whole museum, instead it was being considered for a single gallery.  Wish that I could find that reference right now!

Anyway, I hope that your book exists somewhere in Oxford!

Cheers!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great Post!  It is great to see people interested in post-WW2 museum history.  I know that in my own research at the Science Museum that a similar system was discussed for at least part of the Museum &#8230; oddly, there was no discussion about implementing a system for the whole museum, instead it was being considered for a single gallery.  Wish that I could find that reference right now!</p>
<p>Anyway, I hope that your book exists somewhere in Oxford!</p>
<p>Cheers!</p>
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		<title>By: Loic Tallon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Loic Tallon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 02:35:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To add a personal anecdote to Nancy’s response to Clarence Christie, this w/e at the AAM Expo I encountered a fun/interesting device that should earn itself a shelf in the marketplace of low-cost solutions for the on-site delivery of audio to visitors.  It’s a fixed-location, ‘self-powered’ audio player which has an in-built dynamo.  To hear the audio, visitors &#039;power&#039; the device by turning the crank on the outside of the box.  Ingenious concept, no infrastructure requirements, and it must be recession-proof!  See http://snipurl.com/torm8

I also agree with Nancy’s comments about visitor’s willingness to wait ‘long’ on-site for a content download. And maybe we shouldn’t be too surprised by this: after all, isn’t the average time spent in front of an artwork less than 8 seconds?...

That, of course, is without the audio guide!!  ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To add a personal anecdote to Nancy’s response to Clarence Christie, this w/e at the AAM Expo I encountered a fun/interesting device that should earn itself a shelf in the marketplace of low-cost solutions for the on-site delivery of audio to visitors.  It’s a fixed-location, ‘self-powered’ audio player which has an in-built dynamo.  To hear the audio, visitors &#8216;power&#8217; the device by turning the crank on the outside of the box.  Ingenious concept, no infrastructure requirements, and it must be recession-proof!  See <a href="http://snipurl.com/torm8" rel="nofollow">http://snipurl.com/torm8</a></p>
<p>I also agree with Nancy’s comments about visitor’s willingness to wait ‘long’ on-site for a content download. And maybe we shouldn’t be too surprised by this: after all, isn’t the average time spent in front of an artwork less than 8 seconds?&#8230;</p>
<p>That, of course, is without the audio guide!!  <img src='http://musematic.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Loic Tallon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Loic Tallon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 01:50:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Ephemerald, and thanks for your response.

In answer to your question about why I’ve not included European museums, or American museums for that matter, in the project/tag-cloud, there are two reasons:

1. For clarity, I defined this project as taking place outside of my natural environment; i.e. Europe, and increasingly, the USA.  However, being a Frenchman based in London, I regularly visit museums in Europe and fully intend to reference practice examples I have observed there, as well as from the USA, in my postings.

2. I wanted to study museums that operated in a different context to EuropeUSA museums.  My logic was that in alternative social/economic/political contexts, museums would adopt alternative assumptions about the role of museums, and the nature of a museum visit / the visitor experience etc.  These in turn would influence the use of in-gallery technology systems.  My objective was to research these differences, and see what could be learnt from them.
That being said, the ‘museum’ is in itself a European concept/(construct?), so retrospectively, my logic may have been somewhat flawed.  But I’ll leave that for another, equally fascinating, debate…
 
As for your question about how the system was developed, I’m currently preparing a blog post that will hopefully answer your questions.  Please though, don’t let this put you off buying my book!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Ephemerald, and thanks for your response.</p>
<p>In answer to your question about why I’ve not included European museums, or American museums for that matter, in the project/tag-cloud, there are two reasons:</p>
<p>1. For clarity, I defined this project as taking place outside of my natural environment; i.e. Europe, and increasingly, the USA.  However, being a Frenchman based in London, I regularly visit museums in Europe and fully intend to reference practice examples I have observed there, as well as from the USA, in my postings.</p>
<p>2. I wanted to study museums that operated in a different context to EuropeUSA museums.  My logic was that in alternative social/economic/political contexts, museums would adopt alternative assumptions about the role of museums, and the nature of a museum visit / the visitor experience etc.  These in turn would influence the use of in-gallery technology systems.  My objective was to research these differences, and see what could be learnt from them.<br />
That being said, the ‘museum’ is in itself a European concept/(construct?), so retrospectively, my logic may have been somewhat flawed.  But I’ll leave that for another, equally fascinating, debate…</p>
<p>As for your question about how the system was developed, I’m currently preparing a blog post that will hopefully answer your questions.  Please though, don’t let this put you off buying my book!</p>
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		<title>By: Nancy Proctor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nancy Proctor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 May 2009 03:47:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great that you&#039;ll be sharing your experiences online, Loic! I particularly enjoy the mobile history bits.

Just to answer Clarence Christie, there have been quite a few cellphone tours in the UK: Tate Modern &amp; Britain &amp; Kew Gardens just to name a few. If you check out the case history on the Kew project on the Tate Handheld wiki, you&#039;ll see the contact details for one of the main suppliers of cellphone tours in the UK; they can give you a longer list I&#039;m sure: http://tatehandheldconference.pbworks.com/Case+Studies

What&#039;s the download speed of the Bluetooth transmitter? When we were looking at that, it was 20sec per mb, so quite a bit longer than most visitors were willing to wait...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great that you&#8217;ll be sharing your experiences online, Loic! I particularly enjoy the mobile history bits.</p>
<p>Just to answer Clarence Christie, there have been quite a few cellphone tours in the UK: Tate Modern &amp; Britain &amp; Kew Gardens just to name a few. If you check out the case history on the Kew project on the Tate Handheld wiki, you&#8217;ll see the contact details for one of the main suppliers of cellphone tours in the UK; they can give you a longer list I&#8217;m sure: <a href="http://tatehandheldconference.pbworks.com/Case+Studies" rel="nofollow">http://tatehandheldconference.pbworks.com/Case+Studies</a></p>
<p>What&#8217;s the download speed of the Bluetooth transmitter? When we were looking at that, it was 20sec per mb, so quite a bit longer than most visitors were willing to wait&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: ephemerald</title>
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		<dc:creator>ephemerald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 May 2009 23:58:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Loic,

Many thanks for your post, the tag cloud, and the video! Ironic that those first handhelds look like ipod touches! I haven&#039;t read your book yet, and perhaps ther re some answers there, but I&#039;m curious as to why you didn&#039;t visit museums in Europe? If the Stedelijk was the first museum to use the devices, how has the handheld developed there? Look forward to more posts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Loic,</p>
<p>Many thanks for your post, the tag cloud, and the video! Ironic that those first handhelds look like ipod touches! I haven&#8217;t read your book yet, and perhaps ther re some answers there, but I&#8217;m curious as to why you didn&#8217;t visit museums in Europe? If the Stedelijk was the first museum to use the devices, how has the handheld developed there? Look forward to more posts.</p>
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